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The responsibility over the past two or three seasons we’ve given back to the drivers came I think with a very clear understanding that there could be a line that got crossed. As annoying as the comments that I’ve made personally in the past about ‘we’ll know it when we see it’ might have been, we saw it last night. Obviously after the event, a lot of folks put their heads together to decide what, if anything, we would do. Then what I’m telling you today is our reaction. - NASCAR President Mike Helton
The responsibility over the past two or three seasons we’ve given back to the drivers came I think with a very clear understanding that there could be a line that got crossed.
As annoying as the comments that I’ve made personally in the past about ‘we’ll know it when we see it’ might have been, we saw it last night. Obviously after the event, a lot of folks put their heads together to decide what, if anything, we would do. Then what I’m telling you today is our reaction. - NASCAR President Mike Helton
Since the implementation of NASCAR’s more lenient on-track policing policy began last season we’ve been waiting for this moment. Waiting for NASCAR to give some definition to, “we’ll know it when we see it.”
While I don’t think we got a whole lot of clarity with the penalty this weekend, I can’t say I’m surprised that was the moment. Count me among the legions who didn’t expect NASCAR to act as strongly as they did, but again I wasn’t surprised.
Kyle Busch was out of his mind Friday night – out of his mind like seldom few I’ve ever seen on a race track. He not only wrecked Ron Hornaday’s repairable truck, he wrecked his own even more repairable truck all because he was upset Hornaday got loose and forced him up the track. The championship contender was apparently supposed to back down for Busch. It was mind-boggling.
And then NASCAR’s decision was not. Busch has repeatedly been involved in incidents this year. Most notably with Kevin Harvick and subsequently with Richard Childress. He, if you’ll remember, also had that 126 mph speeding ticket during the summer.
If this had been the first incident you may not have seen NASCAR act with as much gusto. But it wasn’t. This behavior has become all too frequent for Busch.
I’m hopeful this will be a moment of clarity for the driver. An opportunity for him to realize that maturity and temperance are important steps in becoming the great racecar driver he’s capable of becoming.
But I don’t blame NASCAR. In fact, I applaud them. This was a long time coming. It was unfortunate for Busch’s sponsors and increasingly I feel bad that Joe Gibbs and Joe Gibbs Racing are forced to make excuses for behavior I know they don’t find acceptable.
Kyle Busch got exactly what Kyle Busch deserved – and we’ll see if more is coming on Tuesday.
Joe Gibbs Racing didn’t have a particularly good weekend in Indianapolis. The teams finished 10th, 25th and 27th. Adding to the weekend woes was what has become a very common problem for JGR – an expired engine; this time for Denny Hamlin.
This ongoing issue comes as rumors about the future of JGR’s engine program swirl. We’ve heard in recent months that there have been layoffs within JGR’s engine department and J.D. Gibbs said this weekend, after earlier denying it, that a collaboration with Toyota Racing Development is possible.
The team has struggled the last couple of seasons with sour engines. There have been nine expired engines so far this season prior to races. In the last two seasons, bad engines have cost the team five DNFs. Those aren’t numbers to be proud of.
Despite the issues, the team has had success with their engine program. Since switching to Toyota in 2008 they’ve racked up 34 wins. That means, in three and half seasons a JGR team wins one in every four races. Those ARE numbers to be proud of.
The same can’t be said for TRD’s engine program. Since entering the sport in 2007 they have just three wins – and of those three only one wasn’t decided by weather or fuel mileage.
The difference between the two programs is stunning. While one has flourished, the other has languished. While one has found success and competed for championships, the other hasn’t done much. Still, the TRD engines haven’t had nearly as much trouble as the Gibbs engines.
The serious issues with reliability are taking their toll on the team – things can’t continue like this if JGR hopes to compete for championships and regularly compete for wins.
I’m certain this is a top priority for Gibbs. And obviously, Gibbs’ head engine builder Mark Cronquist – a NASCAR and JGR veteran – would likely be part of any collaboration with TRD. One can also suspect much of the talent and knowledge that has made JGR such a powerhouse would make the move, but is this what’s best?
The team needs to get its house in order and soon. While Hamlin remains on the cusp of a Chase run and Logano is far out, Kyle Busch is likely to sit near the top of the standings when the points reset in a few weeks. If there’s any hope of converting the team’s success up to this point to a seat at the head table in Las Vegas, reliability has to be improved.
While the haulers are headed for the Valley of the Sun, we’ve got a short batch of reader questions and answers for you. If you don’t know what this post is, we answer any and all reader questions every Wednesday, right here. So if you’ve got one, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send one to us. On to the questions…
1. From Ric:
Saw some pits at BMS that looked totally brown / tan in their square. Are some teams putting down that much cola all over the whole pit? Who has to clean that up after the race?
Yeah, most teams are starting to use just the soda syrup, and when you spray the whole stall down, that’s how it looks. If anyone does any cleanup, it’s the track itself. They may not worry about it though, and just let the rain take care of it. – T.C.
2. From Allen:
What are the entry fee’s for the Truck Series, Nationwide Series, and the Cup Series? I’ve heard for Cup it was around $80,000.
For the Cup Series they’re in the neighborhood of $3,700 per race. In the Nationwide Series the’y're around $1,300 and in the Truck Series they’re around $1,100. – Journo
3. From Eddie:
Have there been any airline or railroad company sponsoring a car in the Sprint Cup Series?
The only one I can think of is Piedmont Airlines. They sponsored Ricky Rudd (during his stint at Richard Childress Racing) from 1982-1983 and Terry Labonte (in a car owned by Billy Hagan) from 1984-1986. – Journo
4. From yankeegranny:
What could be the cause of the smoke coming out of Kyle Busch’s car that the guys in the booth were speculating on in great detail? A couple of the announcers seemed to think it was some kind of an advantage??? What do you think???
The Gibbs cars have had that little puff of smoke in the corners for a while now. It has to do with how the engines are tuned. I can’t really tell you much more than that. If it does give them any advantage, it certainly is a small one, as the Gibbs cars don’t dominate. – T.C.
5. From Amy:
Most of the NASCAR races are measured in miles or laps…why is the Phoenix race different (it’s touted as a 600k). Do they have a reason? Or are they just being different?
Phoenix is exactly one mile in length, just like Loudon and Dover. At those other two tracks though, we only run a 300 and a 400 respectively. At Phoenix, a 600K equates to about 373 laps or 373 miles. The Subway Fresh Fit 373 doesn’t exactly sound very good. They call it a 600K because it makes the race name sound better with a nice round number, plus the race sounds like it’s longer. It’s a bit of a marketing ploy. Plus, I would imagine they decided that 300 laps is too few, and 400 laps is too many. - T.C.
6. From Mike:
Do the pit crews from different organizations ever challenge each other? I know crews under the same banner (Hendrick, etc) will have scrimmages, but I’m wondering if they have informal competitions during the off season. (Example: Roush vs. Stewart Hass) No money or trophies, just bragging rights. And maybe a round of beer.
Yeah, it’s not a real regular thing, but it does happen from time to time. I know that early in the year, some of the Hendrick guys had a little challenge with some of the Red Bull guys. Nothing like a little friendly competition! – T.C.
7. From Richard in NC:
Will Denny Hamlin have to demonstrate to NASCAR that he can get out of the car on his own (such as in the event of a fire) before they allow him to race again? I’m not sure now, but a few years ago F1 drivers had to demonstrate they could get out of the car on their own without a certain number of seconds before they were allowed to drive again after an injury.
As far as I know as long as he gets a release from his doctor, he’ll be free to drive the car. Throughout the history of the sport drivers have participated with worse injuries, though NASCAR probably wasn’t always informed. – Journo
And that brings yet another “Ask The Insiders Wednesday” to a close. Thanks to everyone who sent in questions. And remember, if you’d like to be a part of next week, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send your question in!
It’s now been eight races, since Steve Addington gave up the reins of the #18 team to Dave Rogers. In that time, Kyle Busch has not done a whole lot. And while the season is still young, and Busch’s and Roger’s Cup partnership is still relatively new, I have to wonder if Kyle isn’t beginning to have regrets about letting Addington get away.
Dave Rogers took over last November in Texas. Since that time Busch has scored two top-ten finishes; a respectable eighth at Homestead and ninth yesterday at Bristol. His average 13.5 finish is better than last season as a whole, but looking at this time last year, Busch had already scored a win and two top-fives.
For his part, Steve Addington, who joined Kyle’s brother Kurt this season, guided Kyle to 12 wins, 26 top-fives, 33 top-tens and three poles in 2008 and 2009. So far, in his first five races with the #2 team, he has racked up one win, two top-fives, three top tens and one pole with Kurt Busch.
While the two brothers only sit three positions apart in the points, they seem to be worlds apart in the momentum they have started the season with. Kyle has consistently run in the middle of the pack and through the first five races of this season only led 66 of 1,566 laps completed. Compare that to Kurt Busch’s 441.
Certainly there are other things one could factor into the success of these two drivers, but the one thing that binds the two and that marks the major change in both organizations is Steve Addington.
While it’s easy to be a Monday morning quarterback (or crew chief if you prefer) on these things, the fact of the matter is, he’s proven he is effective with more than one driver.
Stepping away for just a moment, it’s been well documented that Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus were at odds at the end of the 2005 season. A come to Jesus meeting with Rick Hendrick helped work out their issues. Since then, they’ve become an unstoppable force in the sport.
I wonder if this sort of thing was tried at Joe Gibbs Racing. Despite the troubles they had last season, it’s hard, in my mind at least, to justify booting the guy who led your team to 12 wins, out the door. Perhaps a meeting would have helped smooth over some of the tensions at JGR. Unfortunately we’ll never know.
Hopefully though this will serve as a lesson to Kyle and to JGR to not be so quick to get rid of the one who ‘brung ya.’ It’ll be interesting to see how the #18 team reacts to their situation and whether they can keep Kyle a dominate force within the sport. Only time will tell.
And then there were three. Texas, Phoenix, and Homestead are the last remaining races on the 2009 schedule before we put it in the record books. But before we start the home stretch, we’ve got more of your questions and our somewhat educated answers. If you don’t know what this post is, until further notice, we will be answering any and all reader questions every Wednesday, right here. So if you’ve got one, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send one to us. On to the questions…
Just a quick follow up from a few weeks back, we were asked what Michael “Fatback” McSwain was up to these days. We have confirmed that he is running an auto repair shop in Dallas, NC. – T.C.
1. From Kenny:
Do you think some drivers might intentionally spin out just to get screen time for their advertisers? I’m thinking about Robby Gordon here, because he seems to bring out a yellow at least once during every race.
While I don’t think this is going on (if it is Robby is doing a very bad job of it because Jim Beam is leaving at the end of the season), anything is possible. One thing to remember though, is if you’re a company sponsoring a lesser team you go into it knowing that you’re not going to get a lot of TV time. These sponsorships are much larger marketing efforts (that can be said for any team). If they just wanted TV time it would be a lot cheaper to buy TV advertisements. – Journo
2. From Ross:
T.C.: It’s probable that someone on the blog has ripped your driver. Does that make you cringe a bit when you read it?
Nope, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I know how things really are with my driver, so outside talk doesn’t bother me. Besides, maybe we’ve ripped my driver on here too… – T.C.
3. From Bobby#7Fan:
What is the deal with NASCAR giving AJ a breath test before practice Friday? It seems to me it’s just a way to embarrass him. Did they really think he was throwing back shots before getting into the car? I saw Tony Stewart scratch his ass before practice once, did they check him for hemorrhoids?
I’ll be honest with you, I was in favor of NASCAR suspending him, but I thought the breathalyzer was over the top. I really don’t know what the purpose of it was. It was a little press for them, but it really only served to add to AJ’s embarrassment. – Journo
4. From AJ:
I don’t know how to ask this in a question but has a superstar from the Nationwide series ever gone on to win the Cup? Two sets of drivers come to mind for me, Matt Kenseth and Jr, and Truex Jr and Clint Bowyer. Both Jr’s were 2 time nationwide champs, but it was the runner ups Matt and Clint that have gone on to preform better on the Cup level. Same for JJ and Stewart, they never really got their barring in the lower level and it wasn’t until they came to Cup that they excelled in stock cars.
Are you asking if any former “Nationwide” champions (before they went to Cup) have gone on to great success in the Cup Series? Ned Jarrett was a Sportsman Division champion and Bobby Labonte, Kevin Harvick and Greg Biffle were all Busch Series champions. It’s an interesting point and one I’ve never really thought about. As of now I guess it really isn’t a great indicator of success in the Cup Series. – Journo
5. From Mike:
Since this week was an impound race many cars and most go or go home cars were probably still on some kind of qualifying setup. Since you know it was probably going to be cancelled can you adjust them back to race trim or is there a stop work time? On a normal week can’t you work on it until right before it goes on the track?
Qualifying trim for an impound race is really only a taped up grill, pumped up air pressures, and some other small adjustments. Once qualifying is cancelled, NASCAR allows the teams to make final adjustments, which includes taking the car out of qualifying “trim.” On a normal, non-impound weekend, teams can work on the cars right up until they need to be in line for pre-race inspection on race morning. – T.C.
6. From Lost In Texas:
The firing of the #18 crew chief is bothering me. Can either of you lend some insight into how something like that happens. How much did Kyle have to say about it? Sure would to be a fly on the all at JGR.
I would say the situation differs from team to team. Some drivers have more say about these situations than others. Look at Juan Pablo Montoya. He had three different crew chiefs last season, and I can tell you he wasn’t happy about any of the changes. I honestly can’t tell you internally what the conversation was at JGR, but I’d guess there were pretty lengthy discussions between Jimmy Makar and the Gibbs’. I’m a little skeptical of this move too, but they must think this situation will be better. – Journo
7. From Ric:
I have noticed that some over the wall people wear 1 piece suits, others wear two piece suits. Who decides what you wear? What is the pro / con of both of them? Is there another type?
Some teams decide which kind they want their guys to wear, but in many cases it’s just a preference thing. Often times when Simpson, Impact, or whoever is making the firesuits does their fittings with the crew guys, they will ask what your preference is. I’m not really sure of pros vs. cons, it’s really just what a guy thinks is most comfortable. There is also a three piece, which is pants, a top, and then a vest that goes over the top. – T.C.
8. From Ric:
I noticed on the back bumper about middle to right of the car either a cover (guessing about 3?X3?), or something sticking out slightly from the car. What is this?
This is where they put the rear facing on board cameras. If the car is carrying it, the camera is mounted there, and if it isn’t carrying one the hole is just covered. – T.C.